A newly released documentary has uncovered a bizarre story about President Donald Trump and disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, including an alleged conversation aboard Epstein’s private jet that offers an unusual glimpse into how Trump once described himself.
The revelation comes as previously released federal records continue to raise questions about Trump’s past relationship with the convicted sex offender, particularly after the president publicly denied ever traveling on Epstein’s aircraft.
The account appears in TMZ Studios Presents Jeffrey Epstein: The Devil’s Rolodex, released October 22. The documentary examines how Epstein cultivated relationships with some of the world’s wealthiest and most influential figures, including politicians, celebrities and business leaders.
Among those interviewed was William Mersey, a former inmate who spent hours speaking privately with Epstein at New York’s Metropolitan Correctional Center shortly before Epstein’s death in August 2019.
Mersey said he interacted with Epstein through a suicide-watch companion program and eventually asked the financier to share a story that best captured Trump’s personality.
According to Mersey, Epstein immediately became animated and recalled a private flight involving himself, Trump and a French woman Epstein was dating at the time.
During the trip, Trump allegedly suggested stopping in Atlantic City so he could show the woman one of his casinos.
Epstein reportedly rejected the idea, making a disparaging comment about the “white trash” he associated with Atlantic City.
When the woman asked what the expression meant, Trump allegedly delivered a surprising response.
“It’s me without money,” Trump reportedly joked.
The remark, if accurately recalled, presents a striking contrast to the carefully cultivated image of wealth, luxury and success that has defined Trump’s public persona for decades.
However, the conversation has not been independently verified. Mersey was recounting what Epstein allegedly told him, rather than describing an exchange he personally witnessed.
The documentary also arrives amid renewed attention to Trump’s previous statements about his relationship with Epstein.
In January 2024, Trump insisted on Truth Social that he had never traveled aboard Epstein’s private aircraft or visited his private island. His denial came in response to fabricated, AI-generated photographs circulating online.
But documents released by the Justice Department in December 2025 provided a different account of his travel history.
An internal January 2020 email from a federal prosecutor in the Southern District of New York stated that newly obtained flight records showed Trump had traveled aboard Epstein’s jet more frequently than previously reported.
According to the email, Trump was listed as a passenger on at least eight flights between 1993 and 1996.
Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime associate who was later convicted of helping facilitate his abuse of underage girls, was listed on at least four of those flights.
One flight reportedly included only Trump, Epstein and a woman who was 20 years old at the time. The woman’s name was redacted from the publicly released records.
The prosecutor also noted that two other flights included women who might have served as witnesses in Maxwell’s criminal case.
The flight records do not establish that Trump participated in or knew about Epstein’s criminal activities, and the president has not been charged with wrongdoing in connection with Epstein’s crimes.
Nevertheless, the records directly contradict Trump’s blanket assertion that he never flew aboard Epstein’s plane.
Asked about the latest documentary, the White House defended the president and repeated its longstanding position that Trump eventually cut ties with Epstein.
A spokesperson told TMZ that Trump had expelled Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club because he considered the financier a “creep.”
Trump has maintained that his friendship with Epstein ended years before the financier’s 2019 arrest on federal sex-trafficking charges.
Epstein died by suicide in a Manhattan jail in August 2019 while awaiting trial, leaving behind an extensive network of powerful acquaintances and years of unanswered questions about his activities.
The latest documentary does not establish any criminal wrongdoing by Trump. Instead, it introduces another unverified account of their past interactions while drawing fresh attention to the documented flights and the president’s changing public narrative about his former acquaintance.
For a president who has repeatedly sought to distance himself from Epstein, the combination of previously undisclosed travel details and newly public recollections ensures their relationship remains under scrutiny.
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(yawn) some hearsay about Trump…